# Governance WG: Reboot
**URL:** https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220
**Category:** Governance
**Created:** [April 6, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220 "2023-04-06T13:00:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/81 "2023-10-03T19:26:40Z")
Thank you, @greggish for shepherding that through submission. I very much appreciate you taking on the lion’s share of the effort, by far.
We have some other things that we can do in the meantime, if we liked - however, given the amount of effort you just put in, I wonder if we should delay the next Governance WG for a few weeks so that you can use your volunteer time for something else?
If not, how about the Thursday after next at 11:00am ET?
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### Author:  [@greggish](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/greggish)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/82 "2023-10-03T19:40:28Z")
Would that be Oct 12th?
I’m available then
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/83 "2023-10-03T20:45:46Z")
Yes, that was my thinking.
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### Author:  [@jlcanovas](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/jlcanovas)
#### Post date: [October 4, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/84 "2023-10-04T10:02:44Z")
Hi!
yeah, thanks @greggish for leading the proposal and submission. Let’s cross fingers now 🤞
Regarding the meeting, I won’t able to attend (bank holidays here in Spain) but I’ll follow the minutes (if any 😅)
Cheers,
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### Author:  [@ShaneCurcuru](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/ShaneCurcuru)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/85 "2023-10-07T19:06:06Z")
Would love to meet Thu Oct 12th at 11AM Eastern, so we keep the governance glossary/guide/etc fresh in our minds even as we’re busy with the rest of life.
Between attending Monktoberfest the past couple of days (highly recommended), and being at Community Over Code (formerly ApacheCon) this week, I’m hoping to have some new ideas, and certainly new energy to try to work on organized governance docs of many stripes.
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/86 "2023-10-07T23:34:45Z")
Great. I’ve scheduled the call: [Launch Meeting - Zoom](https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86804499882?pwd=Y0VnNDk3ZDVxVEZXKzB4bGpYdTJjZz09) should work. Happy to send a Calendar invite if anyone wants one. Javi, we’ll ensure we have minutes. I’ll add them here: [SustainOSS Governance WG – April 2023 - Google Docs](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NvVbubpP8CLVcyOnN9AaGkf9acinYMnx-8BcverIN1I/edit)
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### Author:  [@ShaneCurcuru](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/ShaneCurcuru)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/87 "2023-10-12T11:37:08Z")
I have a proposed draft of how I’d structure the individual glossary entries below. While we need to figure out some scope and styles for definitions, I think it’s also important to agree on the rough kind of meta-framework of references to existing definitions, while putting each into context for the reader.
> **[Maintainer](https://fosssustainability.com/governance/maintainer)**
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> Maintainers have admin access to change code and otherwise update the project.
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### Author:  [@greggish](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/greggish)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/88 "2023-11-01T14:42:41Z")
I heard back from them — we didnt get it. (i think it was about this; the email didnt specify and i might have lost track?)
I would still like to work in this direction! Maybe later in the month we can reconnect and consider our options.
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### Author:  [@jlcanovas](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/jlcanovas)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2023, 7:37am UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/89 "2023-11-02T07:37:28Z")
ops! pity news. Well, I would also like to continue working in that proposal! Let’s discuss the next steps in the future.
Cheers,
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/90 "2023-11-07T17:58:22Z")
Thank you for submitting and working so hard on it, in any event, @greggish! Did they have any reasoning why we didn’t get it?
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### Author:  [@greggish](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/greggish)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/91 "2023-11-07T18:50:03Z")
Nope no feedback of course. Isn’t grant-chasing its own reward?
Actually to be serious, I did find it helpful to think through what we’d actually want to do. I have some open questions even aside from this funding. would be eager to think em through with yall.
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### Author:  [@greggish](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/greggish)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/92 "2024-02-17T20:17:30Z")
So there’s [another grant opportunity here](https://dataempowerment.fund/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/DEF_Open_Call.pdf?v=2) that fits the bill for the governance guide, except the focus isn’t OSS but data. Same patterns apply, though, and I’ve been [working with a similar group (also verrrry slowly) on the same kind of project](https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/a-practical-framework-for-applying-ostroms-principles-to-data-commons-governance/). I may look into recycling our proposal from last year for this. Let me know if you might like to discuss further (even though the focus is data not software).
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/93 "2024-02-19T00:27:08Z")
Up to you! I was minimally present in the last round, but if you’d like more of a lift for this one I can allocate more time.
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### Author:  [@jlcanovas](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/jlcanovas)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2024, 7:51am UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/94 "2024-02-19T07:51:25Z")
Looks nice! Data governance is also an interesting topic, I see that they also consider work around datasets (some works from my side: [ModelSet](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10123660) and [HFCommunity](https://som-research.github.io/HFCommunity/)). I can also give a hand on this 🫡
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### Author:  [@gvlx](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/gvlx)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/95 "2024-02-19T14:41:16Z")
Hello,
I’m not sure averyone here is aware of [Eclipse OS-Gov | projects.eclipse.org](https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.os-gov) project which mean to reboot the work done on the IEEE Open Source Software Porject Governance WG ideas.
You’ll need to apply for a personal [eclipse.org](http://eclipse.org) account (free) to be able to join in.
Best regards,
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### Author:  [@ShaneCurcuru](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/ShaneCurcuru)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/96 "2024-02-22T22:18:55Z")
Relatedly, if there is interest in using FOSS Foundations metadata directory to model, capture, or analyze some sort of structured descriptions of actual governance models in use, I’d love to add that.
> **[Data Philosophy](https://fossfoundation.info/data#other-foss-related-data)**
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> Metadata standards and practices for the directory.
I’m working on a simplistic openAPI for general read-only use as well, so we can treat the main metadata categories as proper datasets, while still allowing simple PR editing by practicioners from the various foundations. I know another use case is listing foundations for some other governance or academic work as well, which I hope to work on after FOSS Backstage.
- Shane
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/97 "2024-02-22T23:02:09Z")
I’m curious - what is the need for an API? Is there some dataset you can’t integrate with without it?
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### Author:  [@ShaneCurcuru](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/ShaneCurcuru)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/98 "2024-02-22T23:20:39Z")
Heh, Andrew from ecosyste.ms asked for an OpenAPI, plus I figure I can use openapi for schema definitions and building linting tools from to ensure our datasets are consistent, see:
> **[OpenAPI Documentation](https://fossfoundation.info/openapi)**
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> OpenAPI plans and concepts.
Note that the “API” is merely “GET this URL, you’ll get this schema’d yml/json/whatever file back” for now, no actual server on my end.
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### Author:  [@RichardLitt](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/RichardLitt)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/99 "2024-02-22T23:32:55Z")
Right! So this is just a JSON file hosted somewhere people can cURL it? Sounds good to me. Jonah Duckles and I are planning on working on something similar, here: [GitHub - orgmycology/scienceosslandscape: A landscape diagram of Open Source organizations in Science](https://github.com/orgmycology/scienceosslandscape). Might be good to combine forces.
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### Author:  [@ShaneCurcuru](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/u/ShaneCurcuru)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2024, 1:11pm UTC](https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/governance-wg-reboot/1220/100 "2024-02-23T13:11:50Z")
Yes, absolutely. At minimum I’d love for FOSSFoundation info to be the hub to lookup foundation organizational data. I’d also like to see what other research topics would be worth adding there directly linked to foundation models, vs. building them elsewhere. Also, love the landscape idea, I’ve been meaning to figure out the CNCF landscape tooling to use for other projects as well.
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