You read my mind. Please, I hate the default ones. We’re keeping Rin Tin Tin =D
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Glad to see this off to a good start. 
Are there any action items that can be done by anyone interested in carrying the conversation forward before May 21st?
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Action items in the doc you mean?
Yeah. Or in general. Not sure what to do in the intervening time.
Hey Sustain Design & UX folks, we have a meeting booked in this week on Thursday (11.00 EDT, 16.00 BST 17.00 CEST). I can’t edit the meeting invite but here’s the Google doc link for notes:
Any agenda item suggestions plz?
My one is:
- Let’s talk about documentation and overlap with any/all of the other Sustain working groups.
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I (Eriol) took two actions which I started. They were:
- Guide to getting involved in Open Source as a Designer
- Advice for Open Source projects about how to get contributions from Designers
I’ve been loosely doing 2ish hour workshops on this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FaBqWNsX4E5tBmB4SOWxIm1TXGME6bbh/view?usp=sharingI absolutely do not think this is the best way to give advice, there’s probably other/better ideas to do this.Would be nice to create a wiki sort of resource for this?
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Thought I’d leave an open invitation here for a chat on a Sustain OSS x Open Source Design collab here:
It would be great to have representation from folks involved here, or anyone vaguely interested in community management or game theory.
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Hi folx! I took the action item to summarize today’s meeting notes in this thread:
2020 May 21 meeting (notes)
Attendees (x8)
- @RichardLitt
- @benjam
- @jwf
- @Peace_Ojemeh
- @Erioldoesdesign
- Bernard (O.S.D.)
- @georgiamoon
- Memo
Topics
High-level overviews of what we discussed:
Design Documentation & links with the Documentation WG
- Documentation is first place where people can decide if they want to get involved
- Not exactly documentation but a “way in” to design - https://nextcloud.com/blog/nextcloud-design-team-updates/
- Design label in repos
- “Starter issues” label in repos
- Design Documentation
- User + Developer documentation > Design Documentation
- Communication norms
- Information Architecture of Docs
- (@Erioldoesdesign) What if there was open source design docs like the default code of conducts? Things that are like, copy-a-ble or ‘start your repo with asking for design help’
- E.g. Memo’s helped with information architecture of docs hub when funded to work on docs and it was well received by the team.
- What is the Sustain Docs WG focusing on?
- @ChrisChinchilla is holding office hours on documentation
- Documenting resources on documentation
- How to write good docs
- What are the how-tos that would be useful for new open source designers?
- How to create and document a pattern library
- How to make project bugs/issues approachable and inclusive for designers
- Best practices for design mentorship in open source [?]
- Best practices for open collaborative design ?
Resource Ideas
- How to get design work funded
- https://github.com/opensourcedesign/funding — Tons of watchers, but very little activity. (Around 1/3rd of the OSD members)
- How to build context for contributors
- How to build a (open) roadmap
- Type of example? Milestone Roadmap - parent template
- How to engage design/UXers in your open source project
- Good first issues for Design contributions
- Where to reach out to designers when a project is nascent. (How do you get designers in before the project starts.)
- How to get UX help/hiring UX people
- How to understand user feedback
- How to run UX/Design Events ?
- Trainings, Workshops, UX Helpdesk
- Our Open Source Design conference organisation thread for Fosdem 2020:
Credit & Design in Open Source
- (@jwf) Aside: Related to Bernard’s point, different demographics have different experiences with receiving appropriate credit for their work
- Collab: Licensing WG on things like outreach materials about Creative Commons licenses for designers? (might be a stretch…)
- Often women but also other underrepresented demographics have different experiences with asking for and receiving credit
- (@jwf) How to talk about Open Design to open source developers
- “Advocate kit”-esque tool to help build better understanding and context for what goes into Design work and to help the wider development community get more visibility into Design work
How to share Design Work openly
- Licensing, intellectual property
- LibreGraphics - outreach at universities
Existing Resources to pull together
- USABLE Tools
- OSD
- SimSec Knowledge base docs
- OpenDesign
Working Group Page on Sustain Site
- Purpose
- Help contribute to a roadmap for how design contributes to open source sustainability
- How design can help the sustain mindset
- Defining / providing best practices and guidance on sustainable design
- Storytelling about example practices
- Goals:
- Create a community space for design conversations related to open source!
- Support projects around usability, design and adoption
- Share resources
- Guiding questions
- Reports and documents
- @benjam: Not a report or doc but in 2018, 24 Pull Requests added the ability to credit any contribution (24 PRs is @teabass and me)
- Resources
- Existing & In Progress
- How to get involved
- @jwf: Say hi on this Discourse thread, attend a monthly video meeting?
Action item follow-up
Actions from the last meeting & who (if anyone) can/will take on stuff (not obligatory). Make a list & divvy it up?
- @jwf: Share out notes
- @georgiamoon: Working Group Page on Sustain site
- @georgiamoon: Meeting monthly
- @Erioldoesdesign: Trying a topic discussion
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@Erioldoesdesign + @RichardLitt: Podcast??
- @georgiamoon interested
- @benjam has names to share
(@jwf) Principles of Authentic Participation: Design component for the future of this work? Collab opportunity??
We ran over on time. Will bring it up another time:
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x-posted from the open-design-discussion channel on the open collective slack
For our next SustainOSS Design + UX WG meeting I have an agenda item/topic to propose/discuss.
- Designer + Developer relations - what is needed, observed and can be done about the gaps between these ‘functions’ or ‘jobs’. The corporate world has plenty(?) of advice/resources for this but how does the dynamic play out in OSS and how can it be better sustained?
Raised because I had a great follow up conversation with https://twitter.com/codeekage who I met at the Open Source Africa festival and we talked for an extended period of time about how to build better bridges of understanding between devs+design.The ? after ‘plenty’ is because I see these existing resources as mainly accessible and written for a western, European, American audience and it is less available in other countries not privileged with a certain pov on design
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Apologies for the late posting! Here are the notes from our June meeting:
Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_SLKyXFvz6yoeAAk_aDjWghS9e-yQCrt03-l4mojOTQ/edit#
Date: June 23, 2020
Attendees: @RichardLitt , @jwf , @Erioldoesdesign , @georgiamoon , @Peace_Ojemeh
Apologies: benjam
Agenda
- Intros / Check-in
- From Eriol:
- Designer + Developer relations - what is needed, observed and can be done about the gaps between these ‘functions’ or ‘jobs’. The corporate world has plenty(?) of advice/resources for this but how does the dynamic play out in OSS and how can it be better sustained?
- Raised because I had a great follow up conversation with https://twitter.com/codeekage who I met at the Open Source Africa festival and we talked for an extended period of time about how to build better bridges of understanding between devs+design.
- The ? after ‘plenty’ is because I see these existing resources as mainly accessible and written for a western, European, American audience and it is less available in other countries not privileged with a certain pov on design.
- What are the resources that people in new roles need to work with design + open source - How do I talk ‘open source to designers when they don’t know open source’
- Docs + Design + Open Source
- The docs team are being more inclusive and understanding of design so we’re sustaining design and ux in the docs WG
- Designing better docs experiences
- Docs about Design Process
- Minimum Viable Design Contribution ReadMe
- The docs team are being more inclusive and understanding of design so we’re sustaining design and ux in the docs WG
- Open Source Design 101 in-progress by Eriol: https://www.notion.so/erioldoesdesign/Guide-to-getting-involved-in-Open-Source-as-a-Designer-bd7a7d81e1a1429780bb6685dda777bd
- Justin is working on an open source knowledge base for his org
- Sustainability in Open Source Design > a network / community
- Podcast is a useful model in this — to allow the coffee track
- A “design panel” or a UX Clinic
- Enabling ourselves as stewards of support in our various communities
- How do we grow our community?
- “Proselytizing” design in open source
- Example re: Emma Irwin / Open Source Diversity monthly calls
- Outreach channels that exist
- OSD as an output channel
- Open Source Africa
- Existing regular conversations that are useful
- Eriol: July 15th — UX Bristol — document & share!
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TODO:
- Consolidate the resources we have in this doc and related docs
- Work on documents in these monthly meetings
- Share out these notes in Sustain Discourse site & Slack
- Assess podcast Interest
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Hi all! A quick follow-up from our last meeting. The Taiga board is live!
https://tree.taiga.io/project/jwf-sustainoss-ux-design-working-group/kanban
In the next Working Group call, I can give a tour of how to use the Taiga board as an admin, but for now, it would be great for folks to create new cards for some of the different ideas we’ve been discussing the past few months.
Also if you want an invite to the board, please send me a message with your Taiga.io email address! 
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I’m gonna try an sprint on populating the Taiga board this weekend
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@Erioldoesdesign This would be immensely helpful! I figure in our next meeting, we can dedicate time at the start to review the board and add anything we think is missing. But having some base content there will make it easier for us to jump right in for our next call. 
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I updated the Taiga board with all the things! in our meeting notes docs. https://tree.taiga.io/project/jwf-sustainoss-ux-design-working-group/kanban
So there are some epics and issues/user stories for overarching themes and granular resources.
I started tagging some of the epics and issues/user stories but that’s the next thing to focus on…well as well as creating/searching for some of the resources that don’t exist yet!
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OMG. This is amazing and so helpful, thanks @Erioldoesdesign! 
I added some upvotes and a few comments to specific user stories, and did a quick look at everything you added. I think this will be super helpful for our monthly meetings. Maybe we could even get in a habit of using Taiga for card-specific discussions. All good things to explore in our next meeting when we get a chance to review this with everyone. 
Also, just a call-out to this card specifically (Credit & Design in Open Source):
https://tree.taiga.io/project/jwf-sustainoss-ux-design-working-group/us/56
Related, there is a focus group on “Credit” as part of a Building Trustworthy Data Practices effort this Tuesday (2020-08-25 @ 13:00 U.S. EDT). It is a 90 minute focus group and led by excellent folks connected with various open science efforts. I could pass along an invite to anyone interested.
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Reviving this thread to say we recorded our first SOS Design podcast last Friday 30th of October.
SOS Design = Sustaining Open Source Design!
We have plenty more to get through before the next Sustain 2021 but this is a great move forward.
Now, how do I make a category for design & UX on this discourse 
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For those interested, I’m tweeting about what I do as an OSS designer on the imakefoos account this week! : https://twitter.com/imakefoss
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Hi folks! I am super bummed that I will miss the Working Group meeting this Thursday. I have a one-time all-hands meeting that conflicted last minute.
Please update the Taiga board during the meeting, and I’ll follow up on the board later. Also let me know if I can help with anything for the podcast, not sure what we will follow up with there this week.
I enjoyed watching the Twitter feed that week 
I saw the notes from today’s call, thanks for this. I added a green color to the “podcast topic” tag, so it appears clearly on the board:
I went with green just because, but color settings are here if anyone wants to try different options.
Also, can we start sending a Calendly link around to some of the folks we want to invite on the podcast? Or should we do a final pass on our list before sending out links?
Looks like it was a busy meeting today, but thanks for taking great notes. 